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promethia_tenk made an awesome vid to the song Radioactive by Chasing Dragons. Love that song. Original post is here. Watch, then go leave comments upon its awesomeness!

a_phoenixdragon, do I remember rightly that you love this song? Like, a lot? Awesone vid is awesome.

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a_phoenixdragon
May. 8th, 2013 12:54 pm (UTC)
I love this vid so hard! And yes, Radioactive is one of my top favorite songs!!

*DANCES WITH YOU*
lonewytch
May. 8th, 2013 03:22 pm (UTC)
I KNOW, RIGHT? Its her first vid as well. WTF? I want moar!!!
fannishliss
May. 8th, 2013 02:08 pm (UTC)
Wow. What a lot of amazing images.

Love that juxtaposition of River and Clara falling. What does it all MEAN.

I mean, I come away from it thinking that Clara is the key to everything.... but hey. :)

eta..... there's one thing in particular I'm thinking about today... and that is, that Clara is NOT a Time Lord. If she was, he would know. And who, pray tell, might NOT be a Time Lord? who would most definitely, all people in the universe, know his name? whispers: *the Doctor's Mother* shhhh..... o_O We all know Moffat's fascination with motherhood.... and the way the Woman RTD featured in the End of Time covers her eyes just makes me think things..... o_O

Edited at 2013-05-08 02:23 pm (UTC)
lonewytch
May. 8th, 2013 03:21 pm (UTC)
My current theory so far is that she is his daugher/granddaughter. Someone knows this, and blueprints have been taken of her and been put back and forward in time to lead the Doctor to the "real" version of her. And Clara will ultimately lead him to Trenzalore where one of them will answer. Someone has an interest in making this occur...i just don't know who!

Now, if she was his daughter by River then ALL OF THE SQUEE! And that would link in with the recurrent theme of "Song Saves" that's been going on. I think it's poss we could see a library retcon - not where the peak of River's character arc is done (sacrificing herself to save others) but where that sacrifice is rewritten. Where she save the Universe from whatever darkness the Doctor's name brings. Lat time the we saw the Doctor "fall so much further" was at the revelation of who River was. Maybe this "fall" of the 11th will bring about the revelation of who Clara is and it allllll ties back to River. So many links between her and Clara.

Then again. I'm also liking the "Clara is the Tardis/part of the Tardis" theory i've seen floating about.
kaffyr
May. 8th, 2013 08:38 pm (UTC)
I don't know who Clara is, although at least part of her fate is probably going to be pretty tragic (multiple lives, possible connection to River, possible connection to the TARDIS, how could it not be at least partly tragic, poor thing?), but I'm dying to find out. And part of me wants to comfort her about things she doesn't even know are going to happen to her. Weird, eh?

And this vid has been on repeat play for me over the past couple of weeks. I'd never heard of the band or the song before, but it, too, has been on constant mental replay.
elisi
May. 8th, 2013 09:20 pm (UTC)
*points to icon* Happy ending. And I can back it up:

'Because, just sentimentally, I like big victories. I don't like sacrificial lambs. I like the hero that brings everybody home, I think that's exciting, and I can't really be arsed with this feeling of 'Shame we didn't bring Trevor back with us as well...'. I like 'Aaah! Here comes Trevor - he's alive too!'. I like that! [...] Well, I'm saying this, but you haven't seen The Girl in the Fireplace... if there's a point to the bittersweet thing, fair enough - but I like big victories. And I like it when a film teases you with the possibility of a really dark ending [and ends up being the happiest thing evar] Doctor Who's on at 7 o'clock in the evening and it should be a bit like that. Also, it does buy you the right to be a bit darker earlier on.'
Moffat
kaffyr
May. 8th, 2013 09:33 pm (UTC)
Oh, that's what I want, a great and glorious happy ending. Give me "Everybody lives!" every time; in fact, I'm first on the line to defend the dramatic validity of happy endings (which is also connected with my dislike of the philosophical/theosophical oversimplification of duality, but that's another rant) ... hell, I think the library ending is actually quite a victory in many ways.

And yet ... and yet ... ultimately, it's not a victory for everyone. It's not a victory for the Doctor. He obviously still thinks it's a failure. And River had, no doubt about it, one hell of a life. She triumphs in so many way, but it's triumphs of necessity, and she shouldn't have had to triumph at all; she simply should have been able to live, grow up, love her parents and be Melody. So there's darkness there.

And someone whose life is splintered across worlds and times has had something weird and fucked up happen to that life, no matter how amazing she is. Hence my fear of tragedy, despite my knowledge that the Moff and I both want happy endings.

Wow, a lot of only quasi-connected words. It must be my incipient head cold.
elisi
May. 9th, 2013 06:19 pm (UTC)
Two things.

1. I think River might work in a similar function to how she did in the S5 finale. Very important, but not central. (OK, so she was at the heart of the TARDIS explosion, but you know what I mean - that one was all about the Doctor & Amy.) Mostly, her story won't be rewritten, and her ending won't change. (In the Library she knows his name, which means that the events that are going to happen have already been absorbed into her life.)

2. If it wasn't that Clara was going to be around for the next series, I could maybe buy a tragedy. (Like... the TARDIS actually dying and Clara being the new one.) But I don't know that Moffat would dare do that. I think it'll be dark (we've had a lot of darkness this season), but ultimately... this:



(It's not ghost story, it's a love story/Every lonely monster needs a companion.)

ETA: Clara = Hila, Doctor = Palmer, River = Emma. Clara is the [distant] relative, who will be/is lost. The Doctor will save her and Song will guide them home. Although first Clara/the Doctor will probably make the universe (/TARDIS) explode & then save it (the universe)/the Doctor. And Omega is probably behind it all. /end theorising.

Edited at 2013-05-09 06:24 pm (UTC)
lonewytch
May. 10th, 2013 04:48 pm (UTC)
I think River might work in a similar function to how she did in the S5 finale. Very important, but not central. (OK, so she was at the heart of the TARDIS explosion, but you know what I mean - that one was all about the Doctor & Amy.) Mostly, her story won't be rewritten, and her ending won't change. (In the Library she knows his name, which means that the events that are going to happen have already been absorbed into her life.)


I don't think the essence of her ending will change - her character arc has to peak with that act of sacrifice, i just wonder if the nature of the sacrifice could be changed. But...this is Doctor Who, and the happy has to be there at the end in some way, i do agree with that.

In other news: OMG soooo excited for the ep this sunday ~happy dance~
elisi
May. 11th, 2013 10:26 am (UTC)
I don't think the essence of her ending will change - her character arc has to peak with that act of sacrifice, i just wonder if the nature of the sacrifice could be changed.
If this happened, I think it'd be along the lines of her sacrificing all her lives in LKH. Which is both terribly tragic, but since we know that she'd die in the Library ANYWAY, and not get to use any of them...

In other news: OMG soooo excited for the ep this sunday ~happy dance~
Saturday! In... 7 1/2 hours!
kaffyr
May. 11th, 2013 03:46 am (UTC)
It's taken me too long to respond to this. Although at first I didn't like the idea of Clara being connected with Eleven's first family (I think I thought of it as an artificial reaching towards a bridge that possibly shouldn't be there; that there should be, both inside and outside the story, a clean break) I am gradually changing my view on it. And that may be almost entirely due to you. Heh.

But you're opening my eyes, or perhaps allowing me to open my mind to the possibility, that Moffat could have decided that this was not going to be a "split" season. That this would, in fact, be a continuation of the same story he's been telling. And in that sense - life is dark and dangerous, but the darkness holds stars, and we can rescue each other from the dangers, or comfort each other if we can't - I think I'd like to see this come true.

And your suggestion that the TARDIS explosion harks back/forward to the Doctor and Clara is elegant. Meaty, too, in a way that doesn't take away from the elegance ("meaty" is not an elegant word, sadly.)

and the icon is because, from Uncle Rusty through to the Moff, it's always been a love story. There's so much room for love in two hearts and a dimensionally transcendent blue box, and I've loved all the people he's loved.
elisi
May. 11th, 2013 10:01 am (UTC)
It's taken me too long to respond to this.
No worries. I'm scared to count how many tabs I have open...

Although at first I didn't like the idea of Clara being connected with Eleven's first family (I think I thought of it as an artificial reaching towards a bridge that possibly shouldn't be there; that there should be, both inside and outside the story, a clean break) I am gradually changing my view on it. And that may be almost entirely due to you. Heh.
Well I'm not really arguing that she's connected to Susan. If she is, it'd be as a very distant descendant. (Current!Clara real family makes it... complicated.) My original thought was that she was Jenny's daughter (which I'd still love - esp as we've now had a repetition of 'Don't you remember your daughter?'). Promethia thinks she 11 & River's, which would fit thematically but be a nightmare logistically. She might of course BECOME family...

But you're opening my eyes, or perhaps allowing me to open my mind to the possibility, that Moffat could have decided that this was not going to be a "split" season. That this would, in fact, be a continuation of the same story he's been telling.
That's... not obvious? The themes are very clear. (I've been meaning to write some meta on that, actually.) S7 is extremely coherent, and is now also tying back to S5...

And your suggestion that the TARDIS explosion harks back/forward to the Doctor and Clara is elegant. Meaty, too, in a way that doesn't take away from the elegance ("meaty" is not an elegant word, sadly.)
The solution will be beautifully elegant, this I know. It's the HOW that's the problem... *g*
lonewytch
May. 10th, 2013 04:45 pm (UTC)
Hence my fear of tragedy

I have this too, a really big fear of tragedy...but Elisi makes a strong case for a happy ending, and a case that even if it is bittersweet, there has to be a purpose to the bittersweetness.
kaffyr
May. 11th, 2013 03:49 am (UTC)
I'm coming around to agree, I think, as my response to elisi mentions. The bitter and the sweet intermingle so much ... and the older I get the more I realize that it isn't things and events that are bittersweet, it's living that's bittersweet. Moffat understands that (and actually, so did Rusty, although he wrote it in a different way.)
lonewytch
May. 10th, 2013 04:44 pm (UTC)
I love that you have posted this quote. I am somewhat comforted. And, yeah the icon quote tells us that even though Love/Death are linked in Moff-Who, love trumps death in the end.
elisi
May. 11th, 2013 10:23 am (UTC)
Everything ends./Not love. Not always.

(Seriously - watch Jekyll! Love is a Psychopath and People in Boxes and Everything is a Metaphor and people split into different pieces and... I just. *hands*)
lonewytch
May. 11th, 2013 10:28 pm (UTC)
Elisi!! Did you see the preview for The Name of the Doctor at the end of tonight's episode??? :O

ETA: Also, have you seen the BBC America trailer for the ep? I've revised some thoughts on Stuff based on a split second of something in that trailer.

Edited at 2013-05-11 11:02 pm (UTC)
elisi
May. 12th, 2013 07:13 am (UTC)
Elisi!! Did you see the preview for The Name of the Doctor at the end of tonight's episode??? :O
Oh I did!!!

I'm not sure I've seen the BBCA trailer though. Might go hunt it out.
lonewytch
May. 12th, 2013 09:56 am (UTC)
I think it's the BBCA one anyway...

But the point is - you are right!!! Discussion/speculation of stuff in previews follows:


There's the gravestone in the preview at the end of this last ep. But in the other trailer....the Library ending aint getting rewritten. That is the Library version of River appearing as the Tardis voice interface right? WTF?????

Neat mirror though - Clara "I was born to save the Doctor" about to do something the Tardis/River thinks ill advised - makes me think maybe Clara will somehow actually nearly kill him or the Tardis (and all this thing about Clara stepping into the role of rebirthing saviour God, well squee). And River - born to kill the Doctor, presumably actually saving him.

But...that glimpse of what looks like post-Library River in the Tardis. I wouldn't put it past River to have hacked her way out of CAL and into the Tardis to try and save the Doctor in whatever way....but maybe she can't return her data ghost to CAL after...and thus fades away into the Tardis forever. I can toally see that happening. It's a death/eternal life for her, and with the way the Tardis was portrayed as the Goddess in Journey, it's apt, this idea of returning to the Mother. She won't exist as an independant consciousness any longer, but becomes one with the Goddess thus living forever. I KNOW I AM RAMBLING, BUT ASDFGHJKASDFGHJKASDFGHJ. I AM ALSO PROBABLY STILL WRONG!!!!

And, if it's not actual River, why is the interface giving Clara River????

I am way too excited.
elisi
May. 12th, 2013 02:34 pm (UTC)
I think it's the BBCA one anyway...
If it's the one you're talking about here, then it's just another BBC1 trailer. No HORRIBLE GRAVELLY VOICEOVER...

and thus fades away into the Tardis forever.
Oooooh. If Clara kills the TARDIS (and I think she will, see meta when I post it) - and Clara ISN'T one - could River BECOME the [new] TARDIS? The Doctor's Wife...

And I don't know that it's Library River - why do you think that? /curious
lonewytch
May. 12th, 2013 03:02 pm (UTC)
Love it if River becomes the new Tardis, then they would be together forever! It works too, in terms of the story, and from a kind of mythic spiritual perspective- after having lived the afterlife, the Hero returns to the source, back to the womb, back to the Mother, and becomes unified with everything. It's perfect. Plus, yes, she is the Doctor's actual wife. I cannot even express how utterly thrilled I would be if this was River's ending. I would love it.

Library River...it's based on only that split second of her in the trailer, but i think it must be, because having paused it...

Look at her hair. It' the longest we've seen it since we saw her uploaded into the Library computer,it also looks like it is half tied back in exactly the same style as when she was reborn in CAL. To me, it also looks the closest to the colour that we saw her hair in the Library episodes. Add to that the fact that she is wearing light/silvery/shimmery colours in delicate fabric, possibly a long dress and it all seems very similar to a Library River. Plus, the fact that she appears to be standing there and speaking very passively like the interface does - and i don't know if it's just the lighting of that shot, but it seems to me that there's a bit of flicker and slightly blurred focus around her, which suggests to me she's speaking through the interface. The logical way River would get to do that is by somehow hacking out of Cal and into the Tardis matrix/data banks.

Edited at 2013-05-12 03:03 pm (UTC)
elisi
May. 12th, 2013 03:22 pm (UTC)
Plus, yes, she is the Doctor's actual wife. I cannot even express how utterly thrilled I would be if this was River's ending. I would love it.
Can you imagine the arguments?

The logical way River would get to do that is by somehow hacking out of Cal and into the Tardis matrix/data banks.
Fair enough. Just wondered.
lonewytch
May. 12th, 2013 03:26 pm (UTC)
I can imagine the arguments, lol!!!

On River...I am over-excited with theories, but also fully expecting to get thoroughly Moffed and for it to turn out to be *nothing* like I speculated!!!
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